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Explore New Ways to Touch
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Have you ever been curious to explore new ways to communicate through touch? Anne-Lorraine Selke, the creator of Touchcards, shares why she created a card deck that offers people ways to “rediscover the richness of touch with the people you love.” She gives us examples from intimate cards to playful ones, as we offer ways to bring more connection into your relationships through touch.
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This is important. It's important to honor your time on Earth with touch that sees what it is you actually want or what actually feels good for you.
SPEAKER_01Hello everyone and welcome to Permission for Pleasure. I'm Cindy Sharkey, your host. Delighted you're here for this episode. And I want to tell you our community here is growing. I know I say that off and on, but I I appreciate you following along. And if you have not followed the podcast on your listening platform, would you do that today? Lately, especially, I looked at the hundreds of you that listen on Spotify. And I was shocked because so many of you are not following the podcast there, but you're listening. So this is your gentle reminder to please press the follow button on the podcast wherever you listen. Thanks for doing that. While scrolling Instagram, as one does, I came across something new. I had never seen anything quite like it. It's a new card deck called Touch Cards. I was fascinated with the prompts and the visuals that they were showing of the people playing the game. I got so curious, I reached out to them to learn more and chat with their creator. I really, really like these cards. I asked Anne Lorraine to join me. She's the creator of Touch Cards and talk about this deck. And they generously offer to sponsor this podcast as well as provide you a discount code. And I thought I'm going to have her tell you about this deck, and then we're going to talk about how you can use these cards and also share some of the prompts in hopes that you might be curious about playing with Touch. Anne Lorreen, welcome to Permission for Pleasure. It's nice to be here with you, Cindy. I'm delighted you could join me. And I'd love for you to tell everybody a little bit about yourself and your work in the world.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I have done many different things in the past decade, Jack of many trades. Among the most important to me were to think a lot about how to help people who build spaces or products, how to help them get really good at naming what is meaningful about their users' interaction with the thing they build, which is really geeky and fun, really lovely work. And then in the last couple years, one of the things I've been working on is touch cards, which is how you and I first got in contact with each other. And touch cards is one of the many expressions of my curiosity for how couples can connect really well with each other or or what it takes to love each other well. And another one is helping people write their wedding vows, which is more exploring feelings and kind of articulating what is really meaningful between people. And Touchcards is more uh of a game and very concretely about touch. So that's why we're here today.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Okay, why don't you first tell us if I said what is touch cards? You give me your explanation of touch cards as the creator.
SPEAKER_00So touch cards is a game for people who like to touch each other. Couples, friends. It can be sexy, but it doesn't have to be. It's it's very inviting of innocent play. And the way it works is that it's uh a stack of 72 prompts on how to touch someone. And we try to find a good balance between prompts that are kind of poetic and some that are really funny and silly, and some that are more almost like instructive, uh curiosity-evoking. And each player can go through the deck and find the cards that give you a feeling of, oh my god, I wish someone I wish someone did this to me.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00And then when you have five of them, you give them to the person you're playing with, and they can go through those through your selection and say, Oh, those three, I would really love to do that for you. And so the main way to play has this kind of double opt-in built-in consent. So both parties can really relax knowing that the other person's game to play. And there's many other ways to play, but this is our favorite. That's my first little spiel.
SPEAKER_01Okay. We're gonna talk more about this. You know, I just was delighted when I was introduced to your cards. I just came across them, of course, as you do on Instagram, and thought, fascinating, this is fascinating, and reached out so you and I could have a conversation about it. I was so curious what prompted you to create a card game like this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So at the beginning of the pandemic, so like right at the beginning of shutdown, I was in a bit of a relationship funk with a man I was dating at the time who I were very dearly loved, and we just didn't really know how to touch each other. It was funky. And I was struggling with this. It really kept my brain going. It's like, how can I feel so much affection for someone and be so confused in meeting them in a relaxed way? And then around the same time on Zoom throughout the pandemic, I found dance classes that I really liked, most of them kind of offshoots of gaga. And they they worked with these wonderfully evocative prompts. And I noticed that with these prompts, I remember one of them was uh move as if your hip is a bowl full of water. And you're trying to move the water a little bit without any of it splashing out.
SPEAKER_01Ooh. And we're both moving around in our seats.
SPEAKER_00And I noticed that it really shifted my attention inwards, like it I stopped kind of dancing to perform and look cool, and instead really curiously observed what my body felt like. And that felt like a little bit of a eureka moment. Something about that felt very inspiring. And then I I just had an afternoon, after I think a week of just watching my brain engage with these questions, uh, where the whole game appeared, like it just appeared fully formed, and I sat down and I wrote down the first 65 prompts. And then I shared them with my friend Jakob a couple of weeks later, and I knew Jakob would would probably like it because Jakob also really likes making games, and that's kind of part of our friendship. And Jacob absolutely loved the game and immediately added his own. And he added lots of funny ones. So I my first 65 were very poetic, and then he added really silly, funny ones, and it really spiced the game up, it really made it a lot easier to play. And from there, we very, very slowly came to understand that we truly must make this game because people just kept asking us to print it in one version or another, and now we we just properly printed a lot of it.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And touch is so connecting, you know, to ourselves and to others.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And touch can lead to more connection.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, one of the things that I thought about just like engaging more with the game is before we can speak, uh before we can understand language, we feel how someone touches us. Like uh I have this right now with my nieces, they're nine months old, and there's just this like clarity that through my touch, before they understand language, I can communicate very clearly how I feel towards them. And so I think there's something very um primal about and also like early in kind of our development as individual human beings about touch. And many of the parts I think of us that really yearn to be loved and held don't actually operate in language. They can't speak yet, and so it's nice to find ways to to bring that into connection.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and I do think in a lot of ways touch uh gets sort of um pushed to the side or left out of connection. There's such a focus on language and words, and yet there is something very unique to connection with touch.
SPEAKER_00I think you're totally right. I think there's actually almost two ways that touch gets pushed out. The first, I think, is through language, because often touch is so intimate. Like uh I think it makes a lot of sense that many contexts we don't touch each other very much. But it does lead to almost all connection with almost all people is language-based. And then in the relationships where they're actually where touch would totally make sense. It would totally be expressive of the intimacy that's there. There's sometimes there's another way that touch gets pushed out, and that is, I think there's something about sex or penetrative sex or like a kind of a narrow set of eroticism that's very rehearsed or very in some ways safe because it's yeah, exactly. And so it's very easy to slip into that and making the game we especially connected with quite a lot of people who were grateful to find ways to celebrate touch outside of uh sex in their relationships.
SPEAKER_01Yes. I remember a conversation on the podcast with Sarah Nasser Zadeh, who I think it was episode 87. I'll find it and link to the show notes, but she was talking about what we say with our touch and how we get so well, we start to just touch the same way, and it's supposed to say everything, and then it gets a little lost as far as could we have a little more touch lexicon, she calls it, in the sense of having different ways of touching that communicate different things.
SPEAKER_00That is so awesome. I really like that idea of a touch lexicon, and also this like I think there's another shift that you describe, and that is the shift from automatic to expressive. Like, I touch you because I always touch you to what is true in this moment, and how do I precisely articulate that through touch?
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. Well, to get you to before we even go further in conversation, let's give a couple examples so people understand what this is about. Because I think that's that helps give like a tangible. Like, what are what are these two talking about? Like, what are you gonna make me do here? And I want to say, you do have cards that are marked with a peach that are more intimate cards, right? And you can always take those cards, things like almost kiss me is one, right? Or there's another one is is this mango ripe? Touch me as if to tell whether I'm a fruit that's ready to be eaten. I mean, wow. Those kinds of cards are much more intimate, and they're marked in a way in the game where you can remove them if you're playing with friends versus with an intimate partner. And I really appreciated that aspect of having various ways to play, right?
SPEAKER_00Cindy, the funniest thing is how much there's been so much discussion about which cards should have a peach. Oh, tell me more. It's just so beautiful because like I think the intuitions about what's intimate are not totally the same for people. Like some people are like, one of the cards is touch me as if we've been married for 20 years. And a lot of people found that a very, very intimate card. Um and then others, I think um, I don't actually know if we put it in the deck, but one of the cards that we that we had at some point was nibble me like a small fish. And I think just because of the nibbling, we we put a peach on it. But uh there's many what exactly is intimate or what exactly is erotic isn't so straightforward. It was really fun to watch.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01What's your favorite intimate card?
SPEAKER_00You know, so yeah, I keep going when I play myself, I often keep going for uh cards that are something like Touch Me as if to make me feel held. I really I think this kind of like patient, slow touch is really kind of what I keep going for. And then another one that I love, touch me as if to charge me wirelessly.
SPEAKER_01That'll bring some erotic energy, whether you're in an intimate relationship or not.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I really like that one. And then I really love the like the funny ones. Um, like one of the funny ones I really like is Touch Me As if you have excessively large hands.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I saw that one. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00And another one that people always have an opinion on is squeeze me like a hamster.
SPEAKER_01And what what are the differing opinions about that?
SPEAKER_00For Jacob and I, there's this like, do you know, you see something cute and it's like it's that kind of like aggression mixed with love, like this very particular feeling of wanting to squeeze. And I think many hamster owners are truly, truly terrified by this card.
SPEAKER_01But um, I was telling you before we started recording that that card that you mentioned touched me as if to make me feel held. And so I want to share it here with my community as I'm having a mini retreat with women, and I wanted to use this card for people to be prompted to touch themselves in a way that makes them feel held. And I'll be interested to see how that goes. Another one, another card like that in the deck is your touch heals me, which is a very deep prompt. And also one we can prompt ourselves to do.
SPEAKER_00There's something really beautiful, I think, about both of these, especially when someone plays with themselves, or like if when someone uses these to kind of explore touch by themselves, where they really evoke like a quality of listening, like a quality of listening and then also seeing if it's right yet. Like taking time to actually thoroughly meet yourself, knowing that it might require some adjustment. You might not get it right the first time. Much like as if you were to play with someone else, you might need to get them f some feedback about what it is you really like about this and how to make it like 10% better. And I think when you touch yourself, you have immediate feedback of what it's like. But it's still lovely to just get it right and really take the time to dig. Yeah. Hmm.
SPEAKER_01And I do like that you have a little guidebook that goes with the game. And you mentioned one of the things in the guidebook about talking while you play. And I love a conversation prompt, let me tell you, because we know communication is the key to all relationships. And one of the things in there you said is let me gonna reiterate it because you mentioned it. How can this be 10% nicer for you? And then getting feedback about that.
SPEAKER_00Part of it is just like recognizing that talking about touch can be quite vulnerable. Like I think there's lots of performance pressure, lots of fear. Am I doing something silly? Am I making a fool of myself? And I think there's something about providing very easy access points. Like you don't actually need to think about what to say. Here's sentences. You can just say the sentence out loud. If you think it's stupid, it's our fault, not yours. Like we made this game. You don't have to like it. And so it's kind of, I think the whole game is a little bit of an invitation to try something that's a little bit maybe risky, like a little bit not what you usually do, but in a way that is really supported, so that most of the navigation of how to figure out this new situation is already soft for you, and you can just show up and do the thing.
SPEAKER_01And we know from the research that erotic energy is built with an element of risk, safety, and risk and balance. I mean, Esther Perel talks about this all the time, right? And there's an element here that you're talking about where, especially for people playing as a couple, maybe, where there is a level of risk because it's different, but like you said, it's a facilitated opportunity, which takes some of the risk away and makes it more accessible. There is just a, I just want to encourage people to think about how much play builds erotic energy in a relationship, in all relationships. And that's one of the reasons I was so drawn to your game.
SPEAKER_00Cindy, I think this is also one of the things I'm most excited about the game now that it's out there in the world doing its thing. It's just recognizing that some people have the really good fortune of meeting a person that they get to know for many, many years. For example, my parents. My parents know each other for 38 years, or have been married for 38 years. And I think naturally, if you know someone for such a long time, you grow more used to them. You're just, I don't know, you know what their hair looks like, you know, that they, what is it, don't like it when you touch their knees or something. And you learn all of these things about them. And then sometimes a game is a way to see this person that you know so thoroughly well in a new light, in a new way. I think that's a big that's a big thing. Like that's like it's kind of like going on a first date with your spouse or something. That's I find that a really big deal.
SPEAKER_01It is a big deal.
SPEAKER_00I hope that the game makes that a little bit possible to like meet someone you know well in touch in a truly new way.
SPEAKER_01And also there's a piece to that, and I can speak to that because I was with the love of my life for four decades. And you know, we change and shift and evolve. And revisiting touch in this way with a long-term partner, I could see how that would be, you know, this exact thing. It brings a new awareness and a new communication to where you are in the season you're in that helps you communicate that in a non-threatening way, which is beautiful. And so many couples in long-term relationships don't do this. Right. And so one of the cards, probably one of my favorite cards, is teach me how you would like to be touched. Teach me with your touch. I mean, I could weep. This is so beautiful. It is all of us could do that kind of card with our friend, with our sister, with our partner, with our child, like just to have that kind of prompt to learn how someone likes to be touched and hear it from them and be taught and receive that and then be able to give that. But we just we don't do this in rel so often in relationship. We touch how we want to be touched rather than asking, how would you like to be touched?
SPEAKER_00And it's so surprising sometimes. It's so I've had moments playing with people where I I felt like I kind of understood something about them. I'm like, oh, this kind of makes sense, but I would have never thought, I would have never come up with this. And now that you tell me or now that you show me, I get to meet you right, I get to love you well in a way that actually I can't really know. I don't really know. I can't mind read. And so I think there maybe is also an opportunity with the game to say this is important. It's important to honor your time honors with touch that sees what it is you actually want or what actually feels good for you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And what are some of your prompts about how to touch?
SPEAKER_00Oh, you mean the how to touch and the booklet?
SPEAKER_01Yes, because I liked your booklet. I was like, wow, if we could all just look at this and and take this in, because one of them is listen with your hands, right? Yeah. And then you give examples of cards to try for each of these as well. The other one's explore slowing down, which anybody in relationship therapy will say slow it down. Just everything touch, communication, intimacy, all of it. We're just at such a fast pace. And I found those two things alone would be so helpful for any of us.
SPEAKER_00The third one is really pay attention to the transitions, like really notice how you come into touch and out of touch. And I think all three of these are so tender, like they all feel like ways of for time very precisely paying attention to the person you're with, or like really honoring them with very close attunement. We added these after talking with our our shared friend James, who lives in Berkeley, and these were like his three secrets to giving a really good massage. And uh we loved them so much that we put them in the booklets. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01You know, I remember Hillary McBride when she was on the podcast talking about embodiment, she said sensation is communicative. Oh, I love that. I've never forgotten that. Sensation is communicative. And touch is one way of sensation.
SPEAKER_00I think this is also what I meant earlier with this. It's kind of a way to come into contact or to communicate with a part of this person you're playing with that takes in the world very differently. Like in some way, like less wide, less scanning the whole horizon, more only noticing the things that are already right at your skin, right there where you are. And maybe sometimes with like more. I think for some people there might be something like a like a greater or lower degree of relaxation or tension. Sometimes touch is quite sensitive. It's something that requires a kind of care, which is why the slowness that you talk about, I think, is such a good idea. And then there is this opportunity to really through touch meet something in the other that might be quite lonely or like quite unused to people or quite capable of enjoyment in a way that has nothing to do with thought, like a really a different creature. And so I think this like sensation is communication or touch is communication. I think it's communication with a part of each other that might be necessarily quiet most of the time. Because the world speaks a different language.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Well, we've been talking a little bit more on the series side, and I just am thinking, okay, there are some silly cards. And I love that play aspect. So, well, maybe you'd share one or two of your favorite silly prompts. More playful prompts.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I already shared the um, oh my god, there's squeeze the hamster, right? Squeeze the hamster, and then the really big, the excessively large hands. But there's another one. We sometimes host workshops where where people play in groups. And there's one card that every time anyone plays it, the whole room just goes crazy and starts laughing. And that is Touch Me Like I'm an Alien Organism that you're exploring. And people just like, I think really there's like a kind of curiosity or looking at each other, like looking at a human body as this like foreign, magical, mysterious thing that I really love. There's one that's like uh draw spirals on my body or touch me as if I'm sunburnt, and you're rubbing sand lotion, like a soothing sand lotion on my back. And I think these are they're just really quite pleasant, they're really quite lovely. They're like not super silly, but I think they're very simple. And because of that, they're really easy to do. Also for people who are kind of maybe like a little bit weirded out by playing a game about touch. Uh-huh. Like I'm thinking of, I think often we have we have a couple and she's like super into the game, and he's like, I'm not so sure about the sure. Um I gonna is this gonna be weird? And then we very purposefully we put in a bunch of cards that are very easy to play and quite rewarding, even if you don't have a 14-year Swedish massage therapy background.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01What would you say is the feedback you hear the most from people who played play your game?
SPEAKER_00So the feedback we hear is usually really positive. And the thing that we really appreciate, I think, is to meet someone they know in a new light, and also to have a fun date. Like I think people uh sometimes have this like, ooh, what are we gonna do Thursday night? And there's just something lovely about putting the question of how we're gonna spend this hour into a small box, and being like, we're gonna spend this hour with the small box. So I think there's an appreciation for this like first date energy and also for this having something to do together that's really rewarding and not that complicated. Some other feedback I really appreciated was someone telling us that they felt that this was really good to get in their body, like after maybe like a long work week spent in front of a computer that like playing touch cards for 20-30 minutes really helped them land back in their physicality and then meet the person they're playing with from there. And then we had some people who like who gave us feedback that was like more rare, less common, but really touching. We had one person who was not is not in a partnership at the moment and who bought the game in part just out of excitement to meet someone who will play this game with them one day. And I thought that was the sweetest, sweetest thing.
SPEAKER_01I would just add in there that makes me think of just how important touch and affection is in relationships that don't lead to sex. And I mean, this is in the research over and over. And one of the things I like about this game for that is that there are so many prompts around different ways of touching and then how people could jump start right different ways of being affectionate through the cart. So say they really enjoyed one of the prompts which about almost kiss me, say, okay, just because I already mentioned that one. But couldn't they then later at a different date say, Will you try that again? About almost kiss me. I mean, yeah, I love that I love this kind of thing because you're giving just like a tangible, we're holding your hand, so to speak, in a in a box here. We're saying, here's some options and here's some ways to help you communicate how you like to be touched and what kind of possible affection you like, right? I could just see that working really, really well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I really love what you say there. I think there's something about like recognize if you want to say what you want, you have so much stuff to figure out. You have to figure out what do I actually want, which for many people isn't obvious. Some people, I often I'm like, I don't really know what I want. I want something, but what is it? And then you have to figure out how do I put this in words that the other person likes. Yes. Is this a good moment? Am I doing something wrong? And so there's lots of questions. And I think the game's like, here's a bunch of stuff you could want. If you find one where you're like, oh, I actually I want that, you can just put the card in front of the other person's face and they read it. Like it makes it a lot easier and it takes out a lot of the cognitive effort. And I think there's this like maybe they can do the almost kiss me card again a week later, or maybe they start coming up with their own prompts. They're like, Oh, this actually happens quite a lot that people once they start playing, they're like, Whoa, I came up with four prompts of my own. And I'm like, Oh, that's awesome. What are they?
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. That's that sense of being able to jumpstart different ways to communicate with these prompts, sort of, you know, giving you a baseline to start on where you can add to it or add your own. Or I like the idea of just putting the card in front uh, you know, of someone and and having them do that or seeing what they do. Of course, you have to give context, but there's just a lot of ways these could be used. I just think it's a really unique tool.
SPEAKER_00We even we at the very end, I think we added two cards that are empty that you can just fill in with your own prompts. So when people sometimes come up with their own, the game very much invites them to roll with it or be like, ah, you what is it? You are the master of your own touch destiny. I think there's something about not just in touch, but like in in general, in free play, that's quite challenging. Like for adults who don't play a lot, free play can be quite intimidating because it looks like being silly, and so much of adult life is structured around being legible, making sense, being predictable for really good reasons. Like it's wonderful to live in a society where people are somewhat predictable to each other. But plays serves a lot of functions, play is quite uh productive or quite like invigorating and life good making. And so there's something about making play easier, and I think games are extremely good at that. Games are basically tiny little play preparation corners. So instead of telling someone, oh, you just come up with all the rules, and then they freak out, you give them new rules. You're like, how about you play with these slightly altered rules that are not everyday life, but everyone agrees on them. So you're joining a new reality that's what is it, has a lot of social buy-in. And then after playing a game, it's much easier to be playful because you understand that the other people are into it, you understand what kind of things might be possible. And so this is also like maybe another hope is to have a touch game that later makes it much easier to do touch play from your own intuition.
SPEAKER_01I like that. And it does, you're right, because we enter that play part of our brain, and not a lot of people, well, not everybody enters that part that often. And then that opens doors to other ways, you know, of coming to connection and intimacy. And I do like this idea of when you open up that play, it can prompt more play.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You also said something earlier, maybe like 15 minutes ago earlier in the conversation, about like seeing where the other person is at in this phase of life. Another thing that the switch into play does is that it shifts your attention away from predicting what usually happens to noticing what actually happens. And especially with a person you love and you're close to, and with touch that's very interesting because sometimes it's quite different than what you thought. Your prediction says they like this, they like that, this is the kind of stuff they say, and then they do something that's unexpected, and in some way it breaks you out of this like virtual reality of kind of the perpetual dream of imagining what's going on into like a moment of actually being with each other.
SPEAKER_01And another side to that is the research around the unpredictable, again, this little bit of risk and unknown, which is so healthy to a relationship. And honestly, it doesn't have to be, you know, hanging from the chandeliers, like for it to be something really interesting and different and erotic. I'm just talking about a little tiny something. You're like, oh, I actually didn't know that about you, or I didn't know you liked that kind of touch, or I didn't know you would think that kind of thing is funny, or I didn't know that would bring such emotion for you. That's really interesting. I'd love to hear more. The ongoing conversations that could be had, right? Is so juicy. I mean, this is so there's so much potential, and I love that for people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I really I share that. That sounds like a kind of celebration of finding the right balance between predicting reality and each other enough so that we can get by and survive. And letting it all be new and fresh and unknown enough, mysterious enough, something that in some ways deeply beyond ourselves, deeply other, and because it is other, kind of can re reinvigorate us, can bring something we don't contain. Yeah. All of that.
SPEAKER_01All of that. And a little bit of playing touch cords. There you go. That's so fun to think about all the ways these kinds of prompts could be used.
SPEAKER_00One thing I'm really excited for in this next stage of touch cards out in the world is to work more with therapists or coaches who work with couples. Because I do think the place where I think touch cards just does the most awesome is for people who know each other for a long time. And maybe because they know each other for a long time, don't totally know how to renew each other every day in touch. And so I'm really excited for the people who have a chance to advise such couples to know about touch cards. So if any of them are listening to your podcast, I would really love to get emails. That would be so that would be so lovely. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So there's your prompt if you are in that space. Anne Lorraine would love to hear your feedback and talk to you more about touch cards. I'm so grateful you came on to talk about it. I really like what you've created. It just delights me. And I'd love for you to tell people how they can find touch cards and the discount code that you're offering them if they're listening.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that is so nice. Yes. So we have a homepage, uh playtouch.cards. And on that page you can buy touch cards if you want to. And we have a discount code of 10% for your listeners, which is just permission. You use the word permission, that's your code. And and then on Instagram, where we're at the same handle, play touch.cards. We would love to just like hear what people think.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00What it's like for them to play, if they come up with new cards uh off their own, what their favorite ways of playing are, if they find new ways to play. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And community, I'm actually gonna have a link in the show notes so they'll know you heard about them on the podcast, and you can link straight from there and use your permission code to check these out. You know, we're coming up on holiday season, friends. So it's a great I just think it's a great gift idea.
SPEAKER_00It's a good stocking stuffer.
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SPEAKER_00It was a design requirement, small enough to be to work as a stocking stuffer.
SPEAKER_01Perfect. On this show, you know, we share delights. On this season, we're sharing sensual delights, something that delights us with our senses day to day. I wonder if you might share something, Nan Lorreen, that delights you.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. My mother-in-law gave me a big bunch of dahlias. Uh she lives in the countryside and she grows dahlias and she had this beautiful and so the whole house right now for a couple days is full of dahlias before before they wither, and there's no more dahlias. But it's just so nice to have these couple days where I look at beautiful orange blooming in the middle of slow New York autumnal grayness. So that is my central delight of the day.
SPEAKER_01That's beautiful. Love to hear that. Thanks so much for being with us and for what you've created.
SPEAKER_00Thank you for your curiosity and time. I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01Friends, if you're listening, one of their taglines is rediscover the richness of touch with the people you love. I'm gonna leave you with that and remind you to give yourself permission for pleasure.
